Got in there and cleaned it up. We’ve seen this classic a million times. Some folks like a “6 o clock’ hold”. They do shoot low, but it depends on the ammo. I would have expected a 2″-3″ spread to be the maximum error on this gun. hmmm, so, back to the gun range I went. As a result, Charter Arms makes most of its money selling brightly colored.38 caliber snub-nosed revolvers for women shooters more intent on style than marksmanship. I have been a Register Independent ever since, so about 49 years. Thanks to several disastrous administrations (not including the current one), Charter Arms has a widespread rep for low-quality workmanship (putting it nicely.) I’m sure the workers in the Shelton factory really appreciate this unfair review Most reviewers of even the snub nosed versions find it acceptably accurate out of the box. During its history since 1964 and till today, Charter Arms has produced revolvers chambered in the following calibers:.22 Long Rifle,.22 Winchester Magnum,.32 Long,.32 H&R Magnum,.327 Federal Magnum,.357 Magnum,.38 Special, 9x19mm Parabellum,.40 Smith & Wesson,.41 Remington Magnum,.44 Special,.45 ACP and.45 Colt. Even taking into account the utter irrelevancy of this fact, why, I wonder, does this preclude filing the sight? Compare it to a Ruger 3″ 101, at about a half-pound more. Was it the most accurate gun I owned, not by a long shot. Charter Arms Couger (model 53833), 38 Special caliber, lightweight alloy frame, 5 shot, 2 inch barrel. I currently hunt with a S&W 460. Not for a long, long while. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. hit right where I wanted to, that was until i got to about round 12 fired, then, the cylinder acted like it was gummed up and would not rotate. He says that overall, the piece looks very nice but… it shoots low, so let’s throw the baby out with the wash water for the sake of a moment’s kitchen table gunsmithing. Tom. The Charter Arms Bulldog isn窶冲 a go-anywhere do-anything handgun like a 4-inch barrel .44 Magnum or a Colt Government Model .45, but it is a great defensive sidearm. It’s a Charter Arms. Hey, if it was good enough for Elvis…. Born in the USA and gonna spend my cash on American made. I have since replaced my CA 357 Pug with a S&W Mod 60 357mag, and for the $100.00 difference in price, there is a $1000.00 difference in product and quality, the S&W finish is excellent and the guns is dead on accurate at 20 meters, it is like day and night in comparison, the CA may go bang if you are lucky, but you would be better of taking it by the business end and using it as a blunt instrument as apposed to shooting it, this is how bad the CA is in comparison to any other product on offer out there. They can be a good resource at times. Reading this review and its comments is an eye opener to just how much trouble this nation is truly in. I agree it’s funny that the writer comments about shooting at 5 yards a bit high. And so they were—positioned well south of center. Cars wear out, and are constantly being improved/upgraded. ?? I was very dissapointed, I was shooting Blazer 38 special 158 grain lead nosed rounds. Now I am getting up there and have been shooting since I was about 12 as my dad was not much for guns. I should have got back to you the last time I re-read this article and posted. But then, clearly the point to this “review” was to trash the piece. Charter窶冱.357 Mag Pug is a home protection revolver second to none. Charter has to claw its way into Smith territory with guns that are better than the market leader’s, at a lower price. I have nothing but great things to say about this fine weapon . Dan. . I do see folks talking about S&W, Colt, Ruger, and Charter Arms. Ask Charter Arms, a gunmaker producing products whose potential perfection is restricted by the prices set by Smith & Wesson. It seems to me that the distinctions of this Charter in the market are the strength of its solid (no flimsy sideplate) frame, its reasonable weight (no one who’s fired one believes a 12 ounce .357 is reasonable), its “unbreakable” beryllium firing pin, and the steadiness and full velocity of its duty-length barrel. The Charter Arms Mag Pug revolver hits harder than a .357 Mag. The round hit the bottom of the box but the bullet entered sideways!!! I like Charter Arms. I bet the head of the japanese luxury carmaker placed his briefcase on the desk one day and said screw it. Seems like a good kit gun, non-bruin class, or a less-punishing small antipersonnel gun. It is not a range gun and I don’t put a lot of rounds through it but it always works perfectly when I do. would they really do that??? Mind you I have hunted with revolvers throughout my 45+ years in the field, Have bagged many deer, coyote, and Moose. Even the first Colt 357, called Colt 357. In an effort to keep this So Called Review Alive I will comment again. Charter Arms sets the standard for quality American firearms. As many U.S. gun makers have discovered, going toe-to-toe against similar weapons made with cheaper foreign parts and labor puts them on a hiding to nowhere. At an MSRP a bit over four hundred and a real-world price HALF that of a five inch, adjustable sight, .357 model 60 Smith, it’d seem worth a serious look. I’m no special pleader for the Charter Arms Company but I do own one , a .45acp Pit-Bull which is absolutely a great problem solver for me . Would I bet my life on it…. Manufacturing perfection is like trying to get the last word on the Bill O’Reilly show: it’s only possible in theory. I was stunned so I locked up the wheel and fired another shot. Smith never even made a single action revolver that I am aware of, an area where both Colt and Ruger have made some beauties through the years and Smith does not even exist. and it don’t shoot correctly by the sites. It sounds like he wrote it after having a bad argument with his wife that he lost. .” Once over sea, the guys in the front would light ’em up again. Don't forget: – Colt Python – Dubbed "the best revolver in the world." I have sold off some really nice S&W, Colts, Dan W, and such, but I keep my Charters! P.S. Only the Target Mag Pug is not even the best revolver that $533 can buy. They can be nice, but they can also get knocked out of alignment. I AM perplexed. So, lots of fun, and instead of saving up for the next 6 months I was out laughing, loving this little cannon. I like the Charter frame concept, and its rubber grip fits my large hand better than a J-frame with Hogues, but chose the (maybe) milder .44 Special Target. It’s shame. My next purchase will be a C.A. Now I do work them in a little to smooth out the operation and triger, and it never hurts to learn were they hit, but they all hit consistent and close to point of aim. As I got older and more advanced in my career, I bought better guns, but still carried a Charter. Ask Charter Arms, a gunmaker producing products whose potential perfection is restricted by the prices set by Smith & Wesson. The first Bulldogs were developed about as soon as we had I’d hoped to find an informative, unbiased review. Only paid 478 for the revolver, box of .357s, and a box of .38s. Excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject, I am basically new to the sport. 縺薙�ｮ險倅ｺ九�ｯ讀懆ｨｼ蜿ｯ閭ｽ縺ｪ蜿り��譁�迪ｮ繧�蜃ｺ蜈ｸ縺悟�ｨ縺冗､ｺ縺輔ｌ縺ｦ縺�縺ｪ縺�縺九�∽ｸ榊香蛻�縺ｧ縺吶�� 蜃ｺ蜈ｸ繧定ｿｽ蜉�縺励※險倅ｺ九�ｮ菫｡鬆ｼ諤ｧ蜷台ｸ翫↓縺泌鵠蜉帙￥縺�縺輔＞縲� 繝√Ε繝ｼ繧ｿ繝ｼ繧｢繝ｼ繝�繧ｺ繝ｻ繝悶Ν繝峨ャ繧ｰ�ｼ郁恭: Charter Arms Bulldog �ｼ峨�ｯ繧｢繝｡繝ｪ繧ｫ縺ｮ繝√Ε繝ｼ繧ｿ繝ｼ繧｢繝ｼ繝�繧ｺ遉ｾ縺碁幕逋ｺ縺励◆蝗櫁ｻ｢蠑乗教驫�縺ｧ縺ゅｋ縲� The overall finish was so atrocious one would have to be vision impaired or cerebraley challenged not to see it. that was one of the most biased ” review ” and summation I’ve ever seen. As for your idea on the rear sight adjustment you are 100% correct. He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns. It ended up having a frame issue after 210 rounds fired. A revolver, OTOH, is a revolver. Take a friggin’ file to it for thirty seconds and watch the groups move up to the level of the bull! Between his cutesy descriptions of the gun and non sequitur comparisons his review is just not professional and not nearly as funny as he intended it to be. Useless sights and trigger creep do not a pleasant experience make. There’s nothing that being “good people” did to fix the inherent problems with the guns. And what of the trigger? (Gee, how about returning it to the factory for repair ? Go figure. Or bring in the South Americans. Ergonomics (carry) I just bought it on 11/24/2011 for $325 otd. As I said before I own 4 or more in 357 (I have one that I have never shot which might be #5) which include a 2, 4, & 6 inch. Bling out a Camry, slap a Lexus badge on it and call it good. $ 476.00 Model # 73539 Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). Bang! Also have pictures of the way-too-large groups. I hope this review helps. Anything you write, I'll read; I don't care what's it about! Each version I have purchased over the last 30 years has worked. I just read this article again for I do not know how many times. I’ve carried Charter pistols since the early 70’s when as a child of 8 years old I fired my first Bulldog. Manual, lock, and box. Second, the Target Mag Pug is a gorgeous gun. Had the 45 out and I was hitting fine at 15 yards standing, and a guy I was with popped off a couple and then he was hitting at 45 feet. ping me [email protected],com. I’ve had a CA Bulldog 357 made in Stratford CT since the 1980s and it has been an accurate and reliable gun. Good points all, Robert. Charter’s .357 Mag Pug: arm yourself with confidence! Even worse, you poison the waters so that if on the chance you simply received a bad gun. Or not. The name redacted gentlemen firing .38 specials in the video topping this review is a seriously proficient law enforcement professional. I have owned well over 250 firearms most of which were handguns. Browse Charter Arms Revolvers with unmatched reliability & accuracy for sale at Guns.com. It is way to heavy for carrying unless ur in Big Bear Country. i have the mag pug not the target but the short barrel. Sign up to our newsletter for the latest news and special offers. Wonderful trail gun, but some guys as this writer just cannot figure out how to shoot em. The author is so Smith-centric as far as revolvers, that it was hard to even focus on the Charter, which the article was supposedly about. It probably would keep going, but I gave up. Thanks for your research. Money is tight here so possibly a rossi…thanks for the review. And a video of one of them jamming up completely. After close inspection and a few bad words I was wishing I would have just saved up and got a Ruger. If the rear sight is lowered, the barrel sight will then be lowered to be in the sight pictured. I bought some Remington 38 special UMC Target 130 grain fmj’s. so you are either a liar yourself ( a malicious one at that…if you lied about family probelms because you were molested or something i could understand) or charter arrms is a deliberatly fraudulent company…they are liars, iow. Same day I shot my Single-Six with .22 win mag, Shot high. But if this is better than that, then that, and this, suck. All I need is 1 shot, and may God himself have mercy on the fool suffering the receiving end. I haven’t had any of the problems that you seemed to have; the trigger pull and site problem. I own a number of Charter’s, 357, 4 total, 1 each in 9, 40, 45 Colt, and they are all good shooters. And if you want a second opinion send it to me and I’ll put it through its paces. Bullseye! Call it the Buick conundrum. I purchased 2 of these to accompany my many other revolvers in my collection. Excellent condition, as seen. The Charter people are good people, who swapped out the first gun I tested when it experienced problems. I shot my 500th round today from my CA .357 MAg PUG, and it hasn’t missed a lick. I guess I am just old school. Robert was overly kind to the gun he reviewed. Now I bought my first Ruger Single Six in 1970, and since then I have been lucky enough to own a bunch of guns. I never did find out why… but it really put the “funk” in “functional.” And, my fixed-sight two-ported-inch Taurus in the same caliber has always proven esier to hit with. I’ll tell you something for nothing: the Charter Arms Target Mag Pug represents the pursuit of de-evolution. Charter Arms SS polished 357 3 inch barrel Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Buckeye63, Jan 3, 2020. He/she clearly needs to take some shooting lessons and consider moving to a more realistic distance. I looked at the photos just like the rest of you and darned if the front sight doesn’t appear to be mounted in the usual place on the muzzle end of the barrel.  In all, three Patriot models were manufactured between 2008 and 2011. And to my delight it shot perfect through 50 rounds. Now I am still here, but I ain’t so sure about The NRA, but I digress. And sells a Charter Arms .357 Mag Pug. I was considering purchasing a pug may have to reconsider my future purchase. Yes, and have for years. Charter’s .357 Mag Pug is a home protection revolver second to none. I got off exactly five shots, then the cylinder locked up. Thus this writers work will be around 4 forever, and maybe he has decided to review firearms in what they call Fair & Balanced in this 21sr Century. Also, I’d be interested to hear what the factory said or did about the “sights-are-off” complaint. Gee Here in the real world….say it’s the middle of the night & you are awakened by intruders in your home, are you really gonna try to line up sights or are ya gonna point & shoot, gun a blazing?????? These sleek and sexy variants have all the features Bulldog owners love plus more, all condensed into S&W isn't the only American manufacturer of quality .357s. The guns would not get such a bum rap.but they are not trash guns and are miles above some of the imported guns that use cheap metals and plastic………. i could not be happier with the firearm. The combat vet’s groupings are normally tighter than an X-rated threesome. Am I just misunderstanding this. The two 357 Charter Arms revolvers were sold at $200.00 each to get rid of them. For the life of me, I cannot see what the problem is here other than Robert feels some need to crucify this piece –“shoots a foot low at fifteen feet, terrible trigger, etc., etc.” My reaction was “So file the front sight down a bit.” First firearm of hundreds I have ever had to send back. For the shooter, anyway. Reading the responses is so much more informative than the review itself, it shows to what depths of mediocre the state of the country is in. But color will only take them so far; there’s nothing to stop their competitors from brightening up their revolvers (or semis). I had high hopes for the Charter Arms .357 Target Mag Pug. It’s an excellent way to limit political fallout from an airplane that’s so loud you can hear the air ripping to shreds from several miles away. I know this reply is 8yrs later but your “Comment” is SPOT-ON ! Does the manufacturer fix it, or didja just buy a five-C-note paperweight? And as long as we let Them tell us what to think we are in big trouble. Right from the dealer the sights were good for shooting cans at 25-30 ft. So what happens when a manufacturer can’t aim high? A “value-priced gun” is good value—but it’s not as desirable as the best and not as affordable as the cheapest. Even purchased some expensive side holsters for them. If we operate from the basic premise that a perfect handgun would do no such thing, that it would let you hit your target exactly where the sights indicate with every crisp, clean, predictable trigger pull, the Charter Arms .357 Target Mag Pug revolver is as far from perfect as you can get without wandering into the realm of perfect imperfection. In the same vein, I’d like to know more about the “why” of light bullets shooting below the sightline: I’ve variously heard that it’s because light bullets shed momentum sooner; the ballistic factor of the heavier/longer bullet doesn’t slow down and drop in the air as quickly; the heavier/slower bullet takes longer to get out of the recoiling/climbing barrel; the heavier/longer bullet has more bearing surface gripping the bore and so shoves the recoiling barrel higher… Each version smells okay, but which of these are really true? Lastly, the target Mag Pug is not a Smith & Wesson. If I agree… good for you. Wayne from American Firearms also did the honors. It is my 7th revolver, and tenth hand gun. I have a Mag Pug (2 1/2″), and had to machine down the front sight (on my milling machine) to get it to shoot accurately with a normal sight picture. I did put a Bullseye spring kit in it and that was all it needed. Kept firing bullets in the approximate direction at which it was aimed, but I wouldn’t bet my life on one. At 16 ounces, this five-shot .38 Special is compact Charter Arms currently produces a dozen different lines of revolvers, with an array of choices in size, caliber, features, finishes, and other options. The used market for guns is even more devastating to the up-and-coming manufacturer than the used car market is for similarly situated cars. Can you say HOLLY FLAME THROWER with the 357 Mags. You saved me from making what looks like a costly mistake. At five yards. Like hitting a wall. While cleaning it at home I noticed alot of lead shavings/dust and powder build up, after cleaning it like it was a Ferrari, the cylinder rotated like new. Having shape shooter staus. 3 of the 5 had problems, but they all gave 5 stars. I adjust my aim and find it eazy to make the shot count. Which, strangely, I did—by not using the Target Mag Pug’s sights at all. On the DA revolver front, Smith has some great guns, but Colt has made some even nicer ones, and no one beats Ruger reliability, durability, and value. This is my 3rd time around posting, and like I said I re-read this review every time I buy a new Charter Arms Wheel Gun. What am I, a marketing maven? OVERALL RATING * I ask in case I inadvertently wander by. Let’s remember what they are…. “Sharpen your shooting skills with the Target Mag Pug,” the Charter Arms website urges, implying that the longer-barreled weapon’s better in the hitting shit department than their more popular (by a factor of a thousand) snubbies. Its sad to say that even STI has followed suite since being taken over by its union workers. a gun maker (people who know how sights are supposed to work on 4″ barrels) who makes deliberaly faulty or inoperable sights??? This seems like a pretty convoluted bash/review… #1) the adjustable sight won’t, and #2) the trigger’s like a Concorde SST (HUH???). I was having a blast with it, I was killing the head and center mass of my target like I was a pro or something, flames and report where show stopping. But I use my Charter Arms .357 is my carrie weapon. And for good reason. Compact, yet extremely powerful, the 5-shot Mag Pug has the stopping power to dispatch any and every threat to your home and family. You have entered an incorrect email address! Speaking of planned obsolescence, am I the only one who sees the introduction of new calibers (like the .327 Federal Mag) as a lame attempt to sell old wine in a new bottle? It’s a lousy way to rig a trigger. Point is this….. this gun gonna be a target pistol or put it all on the line & save you & your families butt gun? When the plane was safely off the ground, the pilots would kill the afterburners. “Don’t worry, the engines won’t have failed . As a result, Charter Arms makes most of its money selling brightly colored .38 caliber snub-nosed revolvers for women shooters more intent on style than marksmanship. It felt like they’d shut them off. size frame. Too big too carry. To bad The NRA has long ago sold out their roots. But it’s equally appealing. Did you try adjusting the rear sight all the way up? Again, not if you’re looking for a gun that can hit what you’re aiming at. Copyright © 2021 Charter Arms. And if you wanted to, you’d have to have a holster made for it. theres no diffrence dont believe this guy, I bought a Charter Arms Mag Pug. I feel really safe having one next to me when I sleep, though I own choices double in value. undercover 38 stratford I have shot many many rounds through it and still functions after all these years. Robert……Loved your writing. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Description Charter Arms The PROFESSIONAL II 357 Magnum Double / Single Action Revolver, 3窶ｳ Barrel, Blacknitride+ Finish 窶� Charter Arms 63526 Firearms generally ship within 5 to 7 business days after order is placed. Charter could avoid destitution by building a small line of American-made, top quality, price-no-object weapons. Now they are not fine firearms, but I do not care as they are the lightest most compact Trail or Defense wheel gun out there, and they can be had new for half the price. © COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Back in those days The NRA used attraction, education, and teaching to bring me into the world of guns. Mr. Ecker and his team stand behind their pistols. I recently bought a brand new 2015 model back in january 2016, thing is perfect. That’s what we gun writers call “not good.” I mean “trigger creep.”. And sells a Charter Arms.357 Mag Pug. Good Luck to you. Go back a ways and read which Charters I own & of course shoot. In the nicest possible way. Is it really a range gun, ummmm, probably not. I will never forget the piece of mind I had traveling MARTA in Atlanta during the 80’s knowing I had a Charter .44 Pug under my waistband. Charter Arms made its name with the classic Undercover in .38 Special. All Rights Reserved. and even be a real company or just a collection of frauds???? Don’t get me wrong: I’m a big fan of most of Smith’s 4,564 products. Style * * * * * In 1989, Lexus trimmed its slogan from “The Relentless Pursuit of Perfection” to “The Pursuit of Perfection.” I reckon Lexus made the change out of sheer exhaustion. I believe in Charter for what they are. Ok it a P.O.S what’s the deal with the whole car report?? what’s the point? I’d like to know if the below-the-sights loads were all light bullets… heavier (say, 158 grain) bullets might be what this thing was built for. I contacted Nick Ecker at Charter. Charter窶冱.357 Mag Pug: arm yourself with confidence! Charter Arms Bulldog .357 Pistol, Firing Pin and Spring $ 9.00 Add to cart Charter Arms Explorer 2 22 Pistol Parts-Bolt & Springs $ 68.00 Add to cart Charter Arms Explorer 2 22 Pistol Parts-Charging Handle & Spring $ 15.00 Add to cart A shame that Charter Arms can’t show the world what [another] storied revolver maker can do when customers demand the very best—and pay for it. Unless it's used for competition or treated carelessly, it will last a hundred years (my brother has an S&W .38 that is old enough to collect Social Security and it still shoots fine.).  The three models were the standard model, the Target Patriot and the Crimson Patriot. I’d like to point out that it wasn’t just me who found the Target Mag Pug one of the most ironically-named revolvers extent. . I have to agree, I have one in the titanium frame and it puts together 1-2 inch groups at 14 yards. I would also like to state that I prefer non-adjustable sights on a handgun, possibly due to this inexperience. The peaple at the gun range said that the Blazer ammo was junk. If you want to compare it to S&W, compare it to a 3″ or 5″ .357 J-frame, at near twice the price. The Target Mag Pug’s action reminded me of taking off in the Concorde. If it is raised up, (higher is how I understand), when you aim, the barrel would have to be raised to be in the sight picture. But I’d like to own a wikkid Yank-built revolver from someone other than “the” name in revolvers—just to be able to say, “Actually it isn’t a Smith & Wesson. Although I too think the Charter Arms .357 Pug is so good looking, had I bought it, I could have hung it on the wall as decoration. Fobus RU101BH Evolution Holster for Charter Arms Boomer, Bulldog, Pitbull (except .45 ACP) / Ruger LCR All models fixed sights only, LCRx,Ruger SP101 any caliber (fixed sights only), Right Hand Belt 4.3 out of 5 stars 156 In today’s import-laden handgun market, a good enough revolver isn’t good enough, for either it owner or its manufacturer. Then, as the trigger reaches its final destination, there’s a bit of play in the action. A shame that a customer who buys the .357 Target Mag Pug revolver in question has to aim a foot above what he or she wants to shoot. No hitches in 200 rounds. I have many other handguns but when it comes time to put one in a backpack , a boat or a gear bag, this is the one that goes with me with a box of ammo. I have a 9mm, a 40, and a 45Colt all of which are just fine by me. I shoot at silouhette targets 15-21 ft. Now if you want to spend $990 On a S&W, it is a free country. http://www.yankeegunnuts.com/2015/07/03/charter-arms-pitbull-update/. Though crudely made, I’ve never stopped carrying their pistols. Guns are complex little precision devices, and it doesn’t take a huge screwup to release an occasional funky item. Sure, this should have been done at the factory but is it really a reason to drop the gun from consideration. I did a post on my bunch of Charters a few months back as I figured you were knocking some really decent revolvers for those that want something on the cheap. As does its opposite. It’s a 5 shot , 2 1/2″ barrelled S/S Revolver that delivers 230 grains of “woop-a$$” at a moment’s notice . Sad Stuff. They don’t get shot much as they need to be passed along. Yet the gun functions, and apparently hits consistently and intuitively, at a bargain price. A revolver’s bullet button should feel more like driving a car into a wall. I look at this so called gun writers review from time to time. I have voted left and right, and I do not remember ever voting a Straight Ticket. But the replacement gun had all of the same issues. My wife and I went to shoot these 2 at a cardboard box about 25 feet away. I still have a 1907 Colt Army in 45 Colt, and a 1917 S$W Army is 45acp. We shall see. . Ergonomics (firing) Yes I have a Ruger new style, LCR I think they call it in 357, 2″ which is a nice revolver, just as nice as my Charters maybe even better. David Buckwitz,Hazel Park,Michigan,USA. I once read a quote about Charter, and perhaps it holds true for me… “carry it a lot, and shoot it a little”. is the sight picture described in the owners manual unachievable in reality??? Now if you don’t have an adjustable rear sight you would need to file the front of the rear sight, or if shooting low you can paint out the top of the front sight instead of filing it down.
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